Elon Musk recently appeared on People by WTF, a popular podcast founded by Indian entrepreneur Nikhil Kamath. During the show, he shared his insights on a series of important topics, including urbanization and the future of work, universal basic income and the AI economy, education disrupted by artificial intelligence, as well as immigration and talent mobility. The full content of the interview was released on November 30 local time, immediately attracting widespread attention. What particularly surprised the public was that Musk rarely opened up about his personal life in the program, which became one of the biggest highlights of this podcast.

埃隆・马斯克近日做客印度企业家尼基尔・卡马斯创办的热门播客节目《People by WTF》。节目中，他围绕城市化与未来工作、全民收入与人工智能经济、教育与人工智能颠覆以及移民与人才等多个重要议题发表了看法。完整内容于当地时间11月30日发布后，迅速引发广泛关注。而最让大众意外的是，马斯克在节目中罕见谈及个人生活，这也成为此次播客的一大亮点。



When talking about the diversity of immigration with Kamath, Musk took the initiative to mention his partner, saying, "You know my partner Shivon is half Indian." He then added, "One of our sons has the middle name Shekhar, in memory of Chandrasekher." The Chandrasekher he referred to is the Indian-American astrophysicist Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1983 and is famous for his research on stellar evolution, proposing the "Chandrasekhar limit." Kamath, who seemed to hear about Shivon's Indian heritage for the first time, nodded and said "that's interesting" before asking if she was born in India. Musk replied with a smile, "No, she was born in Canada."

在与卡马斯谈及移民多样性时，马斯克主动提及自己的伴侣：“你知道我的伴侣希文是半个印度人。” 他还补充道：“我们的一个儿子，中间名是塞卡尔，以此纪念钱德拉塞卡尔。” 马斯克所说的钱德拉塞卡尔，是印度裔美国天体物理学家苏布拉马尼扬・钱德拉塞卡，他于1983年获诺贝尔物理学奖，因恒星演化领域的研究闻名，提出了 “钱德拉塞卡极限”。卡马斯似乎是首次得知希文有印度血统，点头称 “这很有趣”，并追问她是否生于印度，马斯克笑着回应：“不，她生于加拿大。”

Shivon Zilis, with a pair of big eyes, is no stranger to Musk's fans. The 39-year-old graduated from Yale University and currently serves as the Director of Operations and Special Projects at Neuralink, being regarded as one of the most active female executives in the field of AI and brain-computer interfaces today. However, the public mainly knows her through Musk, as she is the mother of four of the richest man's 14 publicly known children. Regarding whether the two are in a romantic relationship, Zilis has always kept a low profile. It seems not that she is unwilling to talk about it, but that she does not want to cause unnecessary troubles.

有着一双大眼睛的希文・齐利斯，对于马斯克的粉丝而言并不陌生。现年39岁的她毕业于耶鲁大学，目前担任 Neuralink 的运营及特别项目总监，是当今人工智能及脑机接口领域活跃度颇高的女性高管之一。不过外界对她的了解，更多源于马斯克——她是这位首富公开的14个孩子中，其中4个孩子的母亲。但对于两人是否为情侣关系，希文始终讳莫如深，并非不愿提及，而是不想引发不必要的麻烦。



Zilis has accompanied Musk to many banquets and important events, leading the outside world to speculate that she is Musk's regular girlfriend, but neither party has talked much about their relationship. Compared with Musk's ex-wives, who are writers and actresses, or his ex-girlfriends who are musicians, Zilis is obviously much closer to the high-tech field represented by Musk. In fact, she is not a traditional "science and engineering girl." She holds a double degree in economics and philosophy and once served as the goalkeeper of the Yale University ice hockey team. As Musk mentioned, Zilis has half Indian blood from her mother Sarda, a Hindu born in Punjab, while her father Richard is a Canadian Jew.

希文曾多次陪伴马斯克出席宴会及重要活动，外界因此猜测她是马斯克的固定女友，但双方一直很少提及这段关系。相较于马斯克身为作家、演员的前妻，或是身为音乐人的前女友，希文与马斯克所处的高科技领域关联更为紧密。但事实上，她并非传统意义上的 “理工女”，拥有经济学和哲学双学位，还曾是耶鲁大学冰球队的守门员。正如马斯克所说，她的印度血统来自母亲莎尔达——一位出生于旁遮普邦的印度教教徒，父亲理查德则是加拿大犹太人。

Zilis and Musk have four children together. Among them, the first-born twins have had their appearances made public, while the two children born later have remained mysterious. Even the gender of the third child has not been revealed, and only the fourth is known to be a boy. In addition, the twins and the fourth child were born through IVF technology, and it is unclear whether the third child was conceived in the same way. As a prominent figure in the tech industry, Musk has created countless legends in the business world, and his personal emotional life and family have also attracted much attention from the outside world. According to netizens' statistics, up to now, Musk has 14 publicly known children with four different women.

希文与马斯克共育有四个孩子，其中最先出生的龙凤胎容貌已公开，后续出生的两个孩子则一直保持神秘，就连第三个孩子的性别都未披露，仅知晓第四个孩子是男孩。此外，龙凤胎和第四个孩子均通过体外受精技术出生，第三个孩子的孕育方式则不得而知。作为科技界风云人物，马斯克在商业领域缔造了诸多传奇，而其个人情感与家庭生活同样备受外界关注。据网友统计，截至目前，马斯克已与四位女性共育有14个公开的孩子。



Born in 1986, Shivon Zilis is 15 years younger than Musk. She is not a traditional socialite or internet celebrity but has made a name for herself in the AI field through her own strength. After studying at Yale University, Zilis joined IBM Research and accumulated rich scientific research experience. Later, she became one of the project leaders at Musk's Neuralink, contributing her wisdom to the fields of artificial intelligence and brain-computer interfaces. In November 2021, she gave birth to a pair of twins for Musk. Insiders revealed that Zilis once stated that she and Musk had neither a romantic relationship nor sexual relations, and the children were conceived through IVF. Musk's mother highly praises Zilis, describing her as smart and independent.

希文・齐利斯出生于1986年，比马斯克年轻15岁。她并非传统认知中的名媛或网红，而是凭借自身实力在人工智能领域崭露头角。希文毕业于耶鲁大学后，曾加入IBM研究院，积累了丰富的科研经验。后来，她成为马斯克旗下 Neuralink 的项目负责人之一，在人工智能与脑机接口领域贡献智慧。2021年11月，她为马斯克诞下一对龙凤胎。知情人士透露，希文曾表示自己与马斯克既无恋爱关系，也无性关系，孩子是通过体外受精孕育。马斯克的母亲对她赞赏有加，认为她既聪明又独立

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